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Veteran of the Regiment Posts: 1239 (11/23/09 06:30:18) Sergeant Major Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Tags : None Well I have been playing with an idea of getting a smooth-bored snider carbine converted to a full 24g shotgun for the occasional foray for cat meat or the pot but nothing has come up so after looking at this double SxS 12g pinfire for some time have finally decided to go for it. I have spoken with the dealer and he said he would be happy to fire it so as he and I go back a while I trust him and have told him to put it by. This is a picture of it, he is going to send me some better ones. He has said the bores are not mint but nothing there to worry about. I went for this as I have a ready suply of 12g huls once used and I use No11 caps for my repro remington also I can pick up loads of felt wads from the range as the lazy shotgun people don't clean up after themselves so can keep costs down I am also getting an old reloading machine that has a slot for pins on pinfire cartridges. Next I need to get a used old shotgun case for it I think it would look out of place with a brand new case. It is made/sold by J. Crofts if that means anything to anyone. Pinky It is not a gun. It is not a Weapon. It is not a firearm. It is a single cylinder single stroke internal combustion engine with a free floating piston! Last Edited By: Pinky 11/26/09 04:34:09. Edited 1 time.
57Scandia		#1	[-]
Sergeant Posts: 173 (11/26/09 11:56:57) Lance Sergeant Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Good luck with your pinfire, Pinky. I picked up an absolutely beauty in twelve gauge last year. I've just finished a batch of turned brass hulls for her. It's a pretty neat design if I may say so myself, using small rifle/pistol primers and a fixed firing pin. Pictures to follow... Cap'n Morgan
ChrisPer1		#2	[-]
Lance Sergeant Posts: 114 (11/27/09 21:12:18) Lance Corporal Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Thats a real beauty Pinky. I have been given a very tattered case that you are welcome to, for postage, with really historical looking markings. I will grab you some photos so you can see if its worth your while. It doesn't QUITE fit my Jones underlever.
Pinky		#3	[-]
Veteran of the Regiment Posts: 1245 (11/27/09 22:58:41) Sergeant Major Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Well thank you very much ChrisPer1 I would love to see some photo's. I wasn't actually fishing for an offer! It is just I felt an old box would fit better than a smart new one that I think would look so out of place. I do not have possession of her yet that will be next year, it is not good to try and send things down to the Falklands over the next two months the postal system tends to get a bit "constipated" and things can take for ever to arrive. She has 30" barrels so hopefully it should fit. You can if you wish contact me direct at i_shop_online(at)mac.com but please put some pictures up here for all to see. Thanks again Pinky It is not a gun. It is not a Weapon. It is not a firearm. It is a single cylinder single stroke internal combustion engine with a free floating piston!
Bill Curtisra		#4	[-]
Sergeant Major Posts: 467 (11/28/09 02:19:33) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	It is possible to make pinfire cases by modifying 12 bore centre fire cases. I used to do this years ago but the cases were the old fashioned cardboard type. The modification was quite drastic and time consuming but it did at least work and the cases could be reloaded. The gun was a beautiful Laing sidelever in which the hammers were automatically raised to half cock by the first part of the movement of the side lever. I do not know if it is possible with plastic cases. W. S. Curtis, A.C.I.I., Vice President (Hon.), Crimean War Research Society, HBSA (Hon. Life), Assistant Curator, Museum of the National Rifle Association, Whitworth Rifle Research Project, MLAGB, NLRC, ATRA, &c.
freddo		#5	[-]
Veteran of the Regiment Posts: 1322 (11/28/09 03:28:00) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Somwhere back in the forum ,perhaps in the gunsmithing forum ,somebody I think it was Pukka Bundook, gave a very lucid description of how to convert modern shells to pinfire. Even I could understand it. Just remember, if you are out after bunnies with your pockets stuffed with these,be sure to have the kids along . Should you trip and roll down a bank they will enjoy the show.They would not have seen anything like it since the Paras took Wireless Ridge Last Edited By: freddo 11/28/09 03:33:50. Edited 1 times.
Pinky		#6	[-]
Veteran of the Regiment Posts: 1246 (11/28/09 06:41:07) Sergeant Major Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Fredo I think it might be a bit more like when the Para's took Burntside just before going to goose green my friend was in the house which was directly between the Para's and the Argentine forces but due to the lie of the land it looked as if the Argentines were firing from the house he'd been saving a bottle of whiskey to celebrate the liberation a stray bullet hit the bottle but not willing to waist what was left he got one of his wife's stockings and filtered the glass out of it. I think I might be a bit like his house if I rolled down a hill with pockets full of pin-fire cartridges! I did find the thread you talk of and infact am going to copy the idea as it uses no 11 caps with a margin of safety because if the pin is struck it pushes the cap out of the other side of the case I am also thinking of making a carrier to fit the cases so the pins are protected so should only be vulnerable during transfer to the gun. Pinky It is not a gun. It is not a Weapon. It is not a firearm. It is a single cylinder single stroke internal combustion engine with a free floating piston!
Carignan Salieres		#7	[-]
Veteran of the Regiment Posts: 4764 (11/28/09 17:33:33) Swashbuckler Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Yes, it was Richard that posted a loading thread for these. It is fun to shoot pinfires. I liked messing around with them. A bit slower to load the barrels up for the next shots, but rewarding. -Ryan
ChrisPer1		#8	[-]
Lance Sergeant Posts: 115 (11/29/09 20:00:19) Lance Corporal Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	This case was very generously given to me by a double rifle fan here in WA. I felt that it did not add to the presentation of my rifle (too far gone, didn't fit and the barrels are quite a lot shorter) so I offer it to you. With new baize, a made-up trade label and a nice gun inside it might suit your needs... Postage airmail if it sneaks under the 105cm limit will be about 60 GBP including a bit for cardboard and duct tape packaging. Labels GWR Paddington, 4 The New Zealand ExpressCompany Ltd KAWERAU, Capt MHT Weston Leather has had the shit beaten out of it, case relined with black fabric and repaired. A recent gunshop card inside refers to 'army navy gun' and there is a horn buttplate and one screw inside.
Pukka Bundook		#9	[-]
Veteran of the Regiment Posts: 2041 (12/06/09 07:26:28) Veteran of the Regiment Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Pinky, When you first posted re. this gun, I wrote a reply, and found I wasn't logged in so lost it! About then I get disgusted and say "sod it!" I must congratulate you, it's a lovely gun. Guns like this are always a joy to my heart. Thanks for the pictures. Little bit unusual as well, with the top lever. Yes, I posted the pics, etc of the pinfire cases. Plastic seems to work well, as it seals around the pins nicely. you must pull the pins for washing the cases, as they will rust if left in place. with these cases one doesn't feel like a walking landmine so much.......:-)
Bill Curtisra		#10	[-]
Sergeant Major Posts: 482 (12/06/09 09:01:32) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	I used to use brass pins so there was no question of corrosion. They were robust enough for the job and never bent or distorted. The originals were also brass, at least all those I have seen. W. S. Curtis, A.C.I.I., Vice President (Hon.), Crimean War Research Society, HBSA (Hon. Life), Assistant Curator, Museum of the National Rifle Association, Whitworth Rifle Research Project, MLAGB, NLRC, ATRA, &c.
Pukka Bundook		#11	[-]
Veteran of the Regiment Posts: 2042 (12/06/09 13:34:34) Veteran of the Regiment Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Bill, I used steel pins because that's what I had, but you are quite right about brass pins in original cases. R.
Pinky		#12	[-]
Veteran of the Regiment Posts: 1248 (12/07/09 05:43:09) Sergeant Major Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Pukka I know that feeling of loosing posts. Just got back into town been away for the weekend abusing lambs! I try to get out to my friends farm for the annual lamb marking where we put the station marks in the ears tag them put rubber rings on the boy's "dangly" bits and "doc" reduce the tail length. I hope to get my grubby mitts on this gun next year I am hoping that the pice of stainless steal I have will be suitable if not I will look out a bit of brass for the pins though I can always turn the SS down as it might be a tab big in diameter. I should think brass was used to stop any damage happening to the face of the hammers as I would think that in the old days people did not reload the pin-fire cases it did not mater if the pin did deform a little as long as it fired the once. Well that is my theory any way! When I do get the gun I will be putting up a set of decent photo's. Pinky It is not a gun. It is not a Weapon. It is not a firearm. It is a single cylinder single stroke internal combustion engine with a free floating piston!
Bill Curtisra		#13	[-]
Sergeant Major Posts: 484 (12/07/09 06:21:05) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Pinky, people did reload pinfire cases. I have come across very many reloading tools specifically for, or for dual use with CF, reloading pinfires. I will post a picture soon of the very sophisticated tool used for de and recapping pinfire cases. I have one of these in 12 bore and I used to have one in 16 bore. W. S. Curtis, A.C.I.I., Vice President (Hon.), Crimean War Research Society, HBSA (Hon. Life), Assistant Curator, Museum of the National Rifle Association, Whitworth Rifle Research Project, MLAGB, NLRC, ATRA, &c.
Bill Curtisra		#14	[-]
Sergeant Major Posts: 485 (12/07/09 14:44:36) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	The first picture is of a quantity of pinfire cartridges from the large 4 Bore down via 10, 12, 14, 16 and various small pistol calibres. There is also one 12mm pistol cartridge with a modern plastic case version of the same thing. The interesting tool on the left is covered next. This is a Dixon pinfire de and recapper. The pin is inserted into a hole in the base and secured with the thumbscrew. It is then withdrawn enough to release the fired cap. This is the pin in the withdrawn position with the extracted cap. A new cap is put into the small cavity in the head of the tool. When the tool is forced into the case the domed head is forced back against a spring and the cap is expelled into the cap chamber. The large external spring locates the pin in the slot in its inside surface and the pin is then pushed back into the cap chamber and the open end of the new cap. W. S. Curtis, A.C.I.I., Vice President (Hon.), Crimean War Research Society, HBSA (Hon. Life), Assistant Curator, Museum of the National Rifle Association, Whitworth Rifle Research Project, MLAGB, NLRC, ATRA, &c.
Pinky		#15	[-]
Veteran of the Regiment Posts: 1254 (12/14/09 05:38:46) Sergeant Major Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Bill That last is a smart little tool might look at getting some of those casses from P. Dyson and make something like that of my own. Pinky It is not a gun. It is not a Weapon. It is not a firearm. It is a single cylinder single stroke internal combustion engine with a free floating piston!

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