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fiddlemister	ac snider short	Lead	[-]
Lance Corporal Posts: 51 (11/08/09 06:22:23) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Tags : None i have a dumb question to ask. i have a snider from ac that list as an P 1885/ 1864. why the two different dates?
RichardWV		#1	[-]
Veteran of the Regiment Posts: 933 (11/08/09 07:30:39) Sergeant Major Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	You'll have to ask AC for that one. The Brit Snider is a P-64, meaning it was a pattern of arm accepted by the Brit military in 1864 (of course production came later). The Nepal Sniders aren't Brit military in origin and therefore are of no pattern as far as Brit arms are concerned. At best they are close copies of the Brit MK III, whether in short rifle or 3-band form.
Carignan Salieres		#2	[-]
Veteran of the Regiment Posts: 4741 (11/08/09 12:22:35) Swashbuckler Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Are both of these dates on the rifle or just dates AC used? -Ryan
fiddlemister		#3	[-]
Lance Corporal Posts: 52 (11/08/09 13:09:17) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	its what ac says they are on their website. the snider i have has no dates. napalese.
Carignan Salieres		#4	[-]
Veteran of the Regiment Posts: 4745 (11/08/09 14:49:22) Swashbuckler Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	I am not certain what they are getting at with those dates. They use the P1864 Enfield, but I think they are just using this date as it was one of Jacob Snider's main pattent dates. Manufacture of the Snider conversions did not start that early and most conversions were P1853 and P1856 rifles, I am not aware of a P1864. The Nepalese MkIII style locking breech Snider's were made later than many of the British rifles. I remember reading that many were done in 1885 and maybe that is where that date is from. -Ryan
RichardWV		#5	[-]
Veteran of the Regiment Posts: 938 (11/08/09 19:02:38) Sergeant Major Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	The P1864 shows up in a number of references, but not any official Brit document of the era. One speculation is that it stems from the selection committee, which was formed that year and first met at the War Office on Monday 27th June 1864. Looking at the list of changes as written, they reference the pattern arms to which the Snider conversion was applied, but make no such designation for the converted arm. While Snider held many patents pertaining to cartridge conversion, the only patents utilized in the conversion was his of 5th and 22nd of Nov 1864, so as Ryan states above, that is another potential source. It is of interest to note that he also filed a patent for a locking latch in 1864 that was not incorporated in the conversions (nor used when a latch was adopted for the MK III).

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