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if this is not right to be here feel free to move, just took del of my first pistol a well bubberised 44 russian but it was cheap and will be a nice project
one thing on first inspection that concerns me there seems to be a reduction in barrel internal dia at crown of muzzel it almost looks like a 22 can anyone
thru any light on this, photos to follow camera on charge
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looks like i have been sold a pup spanish copy of s& w russian made for the british world war 1 shortage of sidearms........got a reciept for a 44 sw
russian back to the shop on mon.................
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If it is one of the Spanish-production "O.P." ("Old Pattern") revolvers purchased by the United Kingdom during the Great War, it ought to
be chambered for .455 Webley .... and would look like one of the revolvers shown below. They are the British "Sealed Patterns" for the two variants
.... Top is the "Pistol, Revolver, O.P. No. 1 Mk I" and below that the "Pistol, Revolver, O.P. No. 2 Mk I" -
Spanish gunmakers began producing these revolvers within just a very few years of Smith & Wesson putting its own revolvers on the market in the United States. (Apparently Spanish patent law protected a design only if a patent was registered in Spain and the product was being manufactured in Spain ....) They were accepted models for Spanish army officers to purchase for their service revolver.
Grant Rombough
Medicine Hat, Alberta Canada ("Rattlesnake Jack Robson", Scout, Rocky Mountain Rangers, 1885) WEBSITE: "RATTLESNAKE JACK'S"
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thanx grant its the top one in the photos any idea on value none working condition.......i bought from shop other side of country only saw photos was told it
was rough so i am not complaining of that, but there is a difference in time and money between a genuine russian and a copy.........
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GrantR Canada |
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Location can make a significant difference in firearm values, of course. I see from your profile that you are located in the United Kingdom, and unfortunately
I'm not familiar with values there ....
I can say, however, that it is my impression that in North America (Canada, in particular) these revolvers would have a value of only about 1/4 to 1/2 the value of a WWI vintage Webley in similar condition. From your description of this piece, I doubt that I would pay more than $150 for it .... if that. I am a bit of a .455 "addict", so I have one example of each type, both being functional. Unfortunately, I don't recall what I paid, but am fairly sure I don't have more than $300 in the pair ..... The markings ought to indicate production by "Orbea y Cia", "Garate Anitua y Cia" or "Trocaola Aranzabar y Cia" - not that it is of much significance to you in your present state of annoyed disgust, I would imagine .....
FWIW, the images I posted above are scanned from Chamberlain' and Taylerson's "Revolvers of the British Services, 1854-1954" wherein it is noted that these revolvers suffered a very high rejection rate by War Department inspectors (in the order of 20%) so, unless such a revolver has WD acceptance marks, it did not even meet their "wartime standards" when new ......
Grant Rombough
Medicine Hat, Alberta Canada ("Rattlesnake Jack Robson", Scout, Rocky Mountain Rangers, 1885) WEBSITE: "RATTLESNAKE JACK'S"
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thanx for the info grant if it was 455 webley what would be the length of the cylinder, she has 3 proof marks a broad arrow and below that a trident joining a
line below that 3A and below that the letter E this is on the left hand side near the grips on the main frame just above barrel is 2 crossed flags, and also 2
crossed flags on the cylinder
regards viv
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At least some of the marks you are describing sound like they could be Enfield inspector's marks and British proofs, and the Broad Arrow is a War
Department "acceptance mark", so at very least this appears to be one of the revolvers which "passed muster" and was accepted into British
military service .....
The cylinders on both of my examples are just under 1.5" long - 1.48" on my No. 1 (and now that I look, the manufacturer is marked as "Orbea Hermanos Y Ca" .... Orbea Brothers and Co) and 1.46" on my No. 2 (made by Trocaola Aranzabar). I am puzzled about the bore constriction you described in your first post ..... Is it solid steel and apparently integral with the barrel, or does it look like a "plug" of some sort? If the latter, what kind of material is it composed of? Does the reduced bore diameter extend the length of the barrel, or is it just at the muzzle? If the latter, how far does it extend?
Grant Rombough
Medicine Hat, Alberta Canada ("Rattlesnake Jack Robson", Scout, Rocky Mountain Rangers, 1885) WEBSITE: "RATTLESNAKE JACK'S"
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the length of the cylinder is 1.48 inches internal dia is .48 inches the plug extends for half a inch and . .22 bullet head will not fit into the hole
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Sounds like an earlier form of deactivation a bit dodgy as a full round could still be chambered unless it was done to use on film sets for blank firing! Still
a bit dodgy though with that amount of restriction. Just some thoughts.
Pinky Just thought of a way to remove the plug IF there is no other sign of deactivation like big holes drilled in barrel! If you drill it out with progressively larger drills until just below minimum bore size you might then be able to fold it inwards from the outside might require a re crown but then if the first half inch of rifling is damaged you will need to do a counter bore any way or a gunsmith would and have it checked over before attempting to fire.
It is not a gun. It is not a Weapon. It is not a firearm. It is a single cylinder single stroke internal combustion engine with a free floating piston!
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thanx pinky already thought of that, that is what the previous owner tried to do by the look of it , if it is 455 webley it is illegal to own over here unless
it is deactivated its sitting in my safe at mo till shop pics up on tues..............
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