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Emmagee303 |
Question about die sets for 577-450? |
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In browsing the Midaway website I see that they offer the Lee pacesetter 3 die set for 577-450 at a very reasonable price but the resizing die is full length and not neck size. I am told that neck sizing is the way to go to extend the life of cases but does Lee make a neck size only set and if so who has them? Case trimming? Is there an inexpensive case trim die or apparatus, if so where?Thanks for the help.Tess
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joelblack88 |
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Just slightly back off the die to neck size. Lee dies are a great bargain.
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MichaelNH |
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For a case trim apparatus, call Forster Products and ask for the Dennis Birran special for .577/450. I just got one, and it's very nice.
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RichardWV |
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One of the best buys in trimmers is the Lyman accutrimmer, which uses standard reloading shell holders and comes with a nice selection of pilots, including a .45 that will do 577/450 cases nicely. www.midwayusa.com/eproduc...mid=755364 As a note on the trimmer, in general the BP cases don't stretch out like modern smokeless rounds because BP operates at much lower pressures. The main use of my Lyman trimmer is to take out nicks on the case mouth before they turn into splits. Unless you make your own cases, a trimmer is a "nice to have" and not a "got to have."
As stated, neck sizing is a matter of adjusting the die so sizing stops before bumping back the shoulder. Depending on your chamber this may also size the body back a little, but not enough to matter. In reality what normally fails on the 577/450 is that the neck cracks, which is being sized whether just neck sizing or not. Regular annealing of the neck is the secret to long 577/450 case life. It doesn't have to be as exact science as the following link suggests, but annealing is essential. www.gun-tests.com/perform...cases.html Depending on what loads you try there is a wide range of other materials you might need, including bees wax, carded wool, kapok, fiber cards and such. These generally can be acquired at a craft store or made yourself. |
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Dantforth |
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I picked up an "NDFS" neck sizing die for the 577-450 and I love it. I use just one of my rifles for shooting and find the brass fits fine and the accuracy is marginally improved as well. Dave
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OldGun |
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The Forster case trimmer works perfect on standard cartriges. It locks them tightly and squarely trims the case. However, on Magtech "ballon head" cases, it can be a little frustrating since it will not grip these cartridges securely for trimming, making it difficult to squarely trim the case. If using Magtech cases, then the Lyman accutrimmer might be a better choice, although I have no experience with the Lyman trimmer or how squarely it cuts, nor do I know about availability or fit of pilots for the Lyman product. But if Richard recommends it, it must be good.
Forster, on the other hand, has pilots for both the .577/450 Martini Henry and the .577 Snider. These pilots fit neck cases which have been resized using the Lee dies. I'm not sure about the current price, I believe I paid in excess of $100 for Version # 0001 of this trimmer. For a picture of the trimmer and some other fun, but not absolutely necessary toys go here: www.fototime.com/inv/5581FDD261B1B40 Dennis |
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mlg123 |
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If you're interested in just neck sizing, another fairly cheap option is to get a Lee carbide size die for 480 Ruger and just run the neck through the die. It seems to come out just about right without overworking the brass or any resizing of the body. Just be careful not to bump into the shoulder.
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Whitworth |
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...........Many moons I'd bought a CH/4D dieset for the 577-450. I soon found it resized the neck to hold a std .458" bullet. A call to Dave and he said to send the sizer and seater back with a couple bullets and a case and he'd take care of it for a very reasonable charge. Being impatient sort I tried to find something quick and easy I could do myself.
I ended up buying a Lee 458 Win Mag dieset. I cut the sizer die in a "cut and try" deal until I had it to where it would just necksize the top 1/2" of the caseneck sufficient to hold a .470" paper patched Lee 459-405F slug. It worked like a champ and the 60 Bertram cases I have have been fired over 30 times apiece. ![]() Here's 60 of'em loaded as mentioned above with the Lee bullet. The load is 38.0grs of IMR3031 + dacron. Velocity is 1250 fps. Before I began working weekends I used this load in our clubs silhuette matches. Easily fetches the 200 meter ram. Rick |
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Johnny B Good |
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I have a set of Coyote/Lee dies and mainly use them for case forming.Or if I am going to a shoot and want to make sure my cartridges will fit various rifles. Otherwise,I neck size only with a .480 Ruger Lee carbide sizer die.Seems to work for me and saves wear and tear on the brass.
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Carignan Salieres |
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Yes the 480 Ruger trick works well for the MkIV rifles, as long as the chamber is really nice and does not need a F/L resized cases. I used this method as well, I think JBG was one of the original ones I heard about it from.
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martinibelgian |
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Or if you shoot several tastes of 45, you do as I did, and order a bushing necksizer from CH4D - they will supply with any and all inserts you need. I now have inserts from .495 down to .480 to work on 577-450, #2 Musket and 45-70 drawn and turned brass. If you want to, you can even necksize in 2 steps...
Mind you, I also have the Coyote die set for case forming or FL sizing in case I want to change over the brass to another rifle. |
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Bulletproof |
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I second gert on the bushing die. I use one and it workd good for a variety of cases.
Mostly now I just shoot soft bullets that are patched around .470 and dont bother neck sizing. If the bore is smaller the throat is usually extra large anyways so I let the bullet swage down itslef on the way out. This wont work with all rifles though. Brett |
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grsjax |
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If you only shoot one rifle you can get away with no resizing at all. I have had success just thumb pressing a bullet into a fired case and refiring in the same gun. If you use more than one rifle this probably isn't going to work.
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longlever |
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On Midway's site, they have a note on the Lee Pacesetter Dies, which reads..."Special Note: The 1-1/4"x12 thread will ONLY fit in a Lee press." My RCBS press supports 1-1/4" X 12 dies. I wonder what they're talking about?
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MichaelNH |
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I can say with some authority that this is hogwash. Coyote- and non-Coyote marked Lee dies work fine in my RCBS Rock Chucker. You just have to unscrew the 7/8" bushing.
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Ross95966 |
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The confusion is not entirely irrational. My RCBS 577-450 dies are 1" and came with an appropriate bushing. Not all Rockchucker presses have a 1" die station, though all recent ones do, I believe. I have one with a 7/8" die station.
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dromia |
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They fit my Rockchucker and my Redding UltraMag with the bushings removed.
My Rockchucker must be near 15 years old. |
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they didnt fir my old rock chucker press .........20 yrs old /new lee dies ...............my dies only do in about 1 turn then stop.................any idea on
how to remedy /fix /alter this to work better ??
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The Double D |
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As told you over on Gunboards measure the diameter of the nut and a compare it to the diameter of the dies...you have posted there that the dies are samller,
but how much smaller, give us the measurements.
Next see if the threads on the nut will mesh with the threads of the dies. |
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