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Dantforth |
Cavalry or Yeomanry??? |
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I have looked in Skinnerton's book but am baffled. Lock marked Enfield 1871, five groove rifling, brass furniture, carbine rear sight and screws
to hold cover, snap cap eyelet in trigger guard, Mk.3 action, side nail cups have one ear but in the pic appear to be brass not steel, butt trap in butt
plate.......but.....has a ramrod channel in the stock, serial number on block is 2173 with initials BJ also stamped in the block. Can anyone hazard a guess?
I know, photos are best. I will try to get them on soon. Dave
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Dave:
I am a bit confused by your query - are you trying to identify a specific firearm you have in your possession (or have access to) or are you curious about a carbine in a photo? (I am wondering about the latter because of your statement ".... side nail cups have one ear but in the pic appear to be brass not steel ....") Also, which book are you referring to - Skennerton's 48 page softcover SAIS No. 20 - ".577 Pattern 1853 Rifle Musket & Snider-Enfield", or his much more detailed hardcover ".577 Snider-Enfield Rifles & Carbines"? A ramrod channel does not mean that a carbine is not a cavalry carbine, just that it is a Mark II** - i.e. converted from a muzzle-loading cavalry carbine with the captive ramrod, rather than being made from scratch as the Mark III cavalry carbines were. The 1871 lockplate date would jibe with that ..... By rights, however, I understand that such a carbine should have iron side-nail cups. However, is it possible that they just look like they might be brass? Iron can certainly take on a rather yellowish or amber tone when covered by dried oil or varnish ...... If they have only one ear, I'd say that the cups likely are iron, regardless of their tonal appearance. (Mind you, I seem to recall a past discussion of a similar carbine with one-eared brass side-nail cups. IIRC, the consensus was that "it is what it is" and an example of yet another variant apparently not covered in the books.)
Grant Rombough
Medicine Hat, Alberta Canada ("Rattlesnake Jack Robson", Scout, Rocky Mountain Rangers, 1885) WEBSITE: "RATTLESNAKE JACK'S"
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Dantforth |
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Thanks Grant. I can always depend on you to chime in here. It is a Mk.3 action and a steel barrel, five grooves. I received pics by e-mail which were much too
large to try to add here on my post. It definitely does have an unplugged ramrod hole. There is no Canadian mark on it and no stamping on the butt plate tang.
There is a stamped number "5" on the right side of butt and the number "11" crossed out on the right side. The provenance is that this
rifle was found in an abandoned car in the woods many years ago by the owner so I don't think their's any chance it is one of the Nepal rifles. In the
pics the barrel looks great. Grant I will attempt to downsize a couple of the photos for use here but can't promise anything. Dave
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The Cdn MkIII CCs had brass side nail cups. Some Cdn Sniders were not stamped Dc. The groove is a bubba and not a ram rod channel. Had one the same.
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Yes, the ramrod slot should be at the bottom of the stock next to the band, not up near the barrel.
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I agree that is not a ramrod/clearing rod hole, which would be well clear of the barrel.
With the exception of the brass sidenail cups - if they are, indeed, brass - it would appear to be a standard Mark III cavalry carbine, with a hole or channel made at the bottom of the barrel recess for some reason .....
Grant Rombough
Medicine Hat, Alberta Canada ("Rattlesnake Jack Robson", Scout, Rocky Mountain Rangers, 1885) WEBSITE: "RATTLESNAKE JACK'S"
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This rifle will soon be up for sale albeit for the top of the retail category. I have ben asked by the seller if I would put it on the yardsale here so later
today, I hope, I'll add it there. Nice piece with a beautiful bore for the shooters in the crowd. Dave
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