Who made this gun

Re: Who made this gun

feeds@yuku.com (PommyB) — Wed, 16 Sep 2009 10:13:05 GMT

The length from outside of rim to the riflings is 2.45 inches. It looks like there may be rings around the chamber at about 2.0 inches. The bore mikes at .465 for the groves and .457 for the lands. The base is approx. .508 and the neck about .483(outside). The only cartridge that I can find near this is the 11.7 X 51.6R Remingtom Danish. This cartridge was used by the Danish about 1875. Would they have used such a rifle as this?

The 11.7mm Danish round had a...

Re: Who made this gun

feeds@yuku.com (David K) — Mon, 07 Sep 2009 11:04:06 GMT

So...based on your dimensions, a Martini bullet in .465" to .467", and possibly a 45-90 case looks like it might work. What is the rate of twist in this barrel?

David Kaiser
Montezuma, IA

Re: Who made this gun

feeds@yuku.com (gcrank1) — Mon, 07 Sep 2009 09:09:23 GMT

My 1870 Peabody Spanish Model also has 3 (relatively) equal spaced lands & grooves if that is helpful for
potential barrel maker.

Re: Who made this gun

feeds@yuku.com (gungadoug) — Mon, 07 Sep 2009 07:16:41 GMT

I have a Braendlin Martini with almost identical chamber dimensions, which I believe to be 450 Rigby Match. Works OK with 45-90, black!!!
Doug

Re: Who made this gun

feeds@yuku.com (rotchie) — Fri, 03 Jul 2009 17:35:25 GMT

Here are the castings for the rifle. The length from outside of rim to the riflings is 2.45 inches. It looks like there may be rings around the chamber at about 2.0 inches. The bore mikes at .465 for the groves and .457 for the lands. The base is approx. .508 and the...

Re: Who made this gun

feeds@yuku.com (trfuller) — Thu, 02 Jul 2009 13:29:07 GMT

At 2.45-inch length, it is pretty close to the .45-90 Sharps which was nominally 2.4-in.

Re: Who made this gun

feeds@yuku.com (David K) — Thu, 02 Jul 2009 11:14:21 GMT

A photo of your chamber cast would be helpful, along with any pertinent dimensions from it.

David
Montezuma, IA

Re: Who made this gun

feeds@yuku.com (rotchie) — Fri, 26 Jun 2009 16:19:47 GMT

Gentleman,
You have made me back up and rethink the 45-70 theory. I shot the rifle today as a 45-70 and it did not shoot well. It would hold 6-8 inch groups, but I like smaller groups. Came home, read your responces and got to thinking. Could this be something other than a 45-70.
I did a chamber cast to see and am surprises with the results. The bore is 3 rifles and 3 groves. The groves are approx. .22 inches wide and the lands about .2 in. wide. The lands measure about .457...

Re: Who made this gun

feeds@yuku.com (Viclav) — Fri, 26 Jun 2009 12:34:31 GMT
The receiver could be Berdan rather than Allin. A view along the top of the closed action and barrel would be informative. I just noticed the barrel where it joins the action... that fluting reminds me of an 1881 Marlin... or a Sharps, which would explain the 45/70 part. If the action is an 1866, there shouldn't be a joint, as the trough was cut directly into the barrel. Original 50/70 barrel chopped, with reduced caliber replacement barrel screwed in? I still say it's a Belgian...

Re: Who made this gun

feeds@yuku.com (Carignan Salieres) — Fri, 26 Jun 2009 10:53:12 GMT
The barrel is stamped 10.6 (mm) but I don't know exactly what that calibre would be. My cape gun is marked 10.6 as well and I feed it .44-40WCF.

-Ryan

Re: Who made this gun

feeds@yuku.com (trfuller) — Fri, 26 Jun 2009 10:46:00 GMT
Just out of interest, you say it is in 45-70--is that actually stamped on the barrel or breech somewhere, or might it be the very similar 11.7x51R Danish?

Re: Who made this gun

feeds@yuku.com (rotchie) — Thu, 25 Jun 2009 17:28:36 GMT
Ryan,
I knew that one mark was Belgian but not the others.
Victor,
I am inclined to thank what you suggest may be correct. It does seem logiacl. I really do not know.

Gentleman, Thank you both for your input.

If anyone knows more about this rifle please let me know.

rotchie

Re: Who made this gun

feeds@yuku.com (Viclav) — Thu, 25 Jun 2009 06:41:12 GMT
Is it possible the gun started out as one of the M1866 rifles sent to France for the war of 1870? The Liege trade got hold of many American rifles, muzzle-loaders and cartidge guns, after the conflict. Many Remington rolling blocks were refitted with Liege-made barrels and exported. Not likely that such a weapon using an already established (and supplanted by the M1868) U.S. breech system and U.S. parts would have been submitted as a trial gun to the U.S. in 1870... in a caliber not yet...

Re: Who made this gun

feeds@yuku.com (Carignan Salieres) — Thu, 25 Jun 2009 06:06:56 GMT
The markings are all Belgian.

-Ryan

Who made this gun

feeds@yuku.com (rotchie) — Thu, 25 Jun 2009 05:56:26 GMT