THE 7.62 X 39R K(estell) KADET

Re: THE 7.62 X 39R K(estell) KADET

feeds@yuku.com (Bill Kestell) — Sat, 29 Nov 2008 09:15:43 GMT

I have 4 cartridges that might be interesting. Two are based on the .357 Magnum and the other two on the .357 Maximum.

This gets a little convoluted ... so bear with me.

#1 I bought 2 more .30 Mauser dies and set them up to make a shoulder and neck on both a .357 Magnum and the other on a ,357 Maximum. Once you are set up, you still need to order custom reamers ... but it makes a neat set of cartridges.

#2 With the next series, I bought a die set from...

Re: THE 7.62 X 39R K(estell) KADET

feeds@yuku.com (martinibelgian) — Sat, 29 Nov 2008 03:58:54 GMT

If you want some more oomph, try the 5.6 x 50R as a basic case, and using that one for a 6mm or .30 wildcat... borderline as to length, but still safe as it is a long, slender case.

Re: THE 7.62 X 39R K(estell) KADET

feeds@yuku.com (Martin I Henry) — Sat, 29 Nov 2008 01:29:44 GMT

A necked down .357 Magnum has to be an attrative economical if somwhat unadventurous round. Parent brass is cheap and plentiful, it leaves plenty of meat in the chamber walls, bullet size and weight chosen to suit whatever the target may be.
My pet Cadet round would have been something like .455 Webley or similar, but the pressures would have been low and trajectory a bit loopy. No problem at 50Yards though !

.450 No 1 has a base dia of 0.521" maybe a conversion to...

Re: THE 7.62 X 39R K(estell) KADET

feeds@yuku.com (The Double D) — Fri, 28 Nov 2008 21:26:36 GMT

I trying to recall what the 30 Cal Wildcat is that is made from the 357 Max Case. The 30 Whisper? Is based on the .221 Firebal case? You could make a 30 Whisper Rimmed. you couldn't call it that because J.D. Jones propriatary rights to the name...30 Kadet MAX hows that?

Re: THE 7.62 X 39R K(estell) KADET

feeds@yuku.com (FRANKCVA42) — Fri, 28 Nov 2008 20:32:00 GMT

I know well that I'm no expert in regarding these things so bear with me. You could use the 357 maximum cartridge necked down in a 7.62x39 full length sizing die. This would give you the shoulder and neck length of the 7.62x39. But the circumference of the 357 max case is I believe smaller that the parent cartridge. You could have dies made up though. This would be benficial in that you wouldn't have to mess around with major changes to the extractop and being a rimmed case would be a...

Re: THE 7.62 X 39R K(estell) KADET

feeds@yuku.com (The Double D) — Fri, 28 Nov 2008 16:03:06 GMT

I know "I" could keep the pressures down. That isn't the real problem. The problem is could you trust the next owner to keep the pressure. In the litigious society we live in this might not be something you would want to build. But that is the purpose of a tort system such as we have. You are held liable for your actions.

Re: THE 7.62 X 39R K(estell) KADET

feeds@yuku.com (Martin I Henry) — Fri, 28 Nov 2008 12:52:56 GMT

Sounds like a very interesting round to me !

My buddy and I both have small action Martinis in 450 No.1 ( not to be confused with 450 No.1 carbine !! ) that are much bigger in base dia. However it is a very low pressure BP cartridge.

To me it sounds like you are pushing the limits a little. Can you trust yourself to keep the pressures low ?

Dave R

Re: THE 7.62 X 39R K(estell) KADET

feeds@yuku.com (Bill Kestell) — Thu, 27 Nov 2008 11:07:35 GMT

Thanks Double D ... and the more I'm thinking about it ... I'm in COMPLETE agreement. The largest caliber I ever heard of on a Cadet action was .44 Magnum (.457" base diameter), but I KNOW I wouldn't be comfortable with that! Even the .41 Magnum has a base diameter of .434" ... so with this cartridge having a base diameter of .440" (I've seen it as high as .443) ... it's just too close for comfort.

The cartridge works fine in the Uberti High...

Re: THE 7.62 X 39R K(estell) KADET

feeds@yuku.com (The Double D) — Wed, 26 Nov 2008 18:50:54 GMT

This will probably fit the Cadet actions, but it is getting well into the upper limits of safety, pressure wise for the the little Martini. I realy don't think the action will break. I wouldn't be surprised if the little 3/4 in barrel tenon couldn't take the pressure and the chamber swelled. Becareful with this one.

THE 7.62 X 39R K(estell) KADET

feeds@yuku.com (Bill Kestell) — Wed, 26 Nov 2008 18:08:07 GMT

THE 7.62 X 39R K(estell) KADET

Here's a nifty little cartridge you can play with.