Miniature, Rook and Cadet Rifle Forum

BSA No.12 front sight height

feeds@yuku.com (gcrank1) — Fri, 25 Dec 2009 15:05:23 GMT

I now have the proper tangent sight to re-install on my No.12. I see why it was removed, with the low tunnel
sight I cant see through the tangent with the P-H 7A. I suspect there were several different height front bases.
If I disregard the rear peep for now, what height front do I need to properly use the markings on the tangent?
That is, what height above the barrel to the blade top would have been original to a No.12 if it had a blade
or barleycorn rather than tunnel...

A bevy of cadets

feeds@yuku.com (ziplocjoe) — Tue, 22 Dec 2009 19:20:38 GMT

The first rifle has been rebored to .357 magnum. The next two are "a" models with non-windage adjustable rear sight. All the rest are "b" models.
The last rifle is a stock cadet with a schuetzen style stock and finger lever. It can be returned to stock condition by changing the wood and finger lever.

Is this a BSA Mod 6?

feeds@yuku.com (martininut) — Sun, 13 Dec 2009 21:03:07 GMT

Just took delivery of this little gem. Ok, a little dirty and worn, but in excellent overall shape with a beautiful bore. She has a 25" uncut barrel, steel cadet style buttplate, military Enfield style rear barrel sight, BSA hooded front sight that flips from blade to aperture, and a BSA No. 8 tang sight. The barrel appears to be the standard target outer dimension. The receiver is the earlier thin wall, Cadet type action. Based on accounts I have heard, this fits the description of...

Another exposed hammer martini

feeds@yuku.com (TH) — Fri, 04 Dec 2009 04:56:28 GMT

Hi Guys

Not sure whether to start a new thread or put this with the others?
On reading about this rifle in the earlier thread I rang Bill Phelps & was told it was sold. - but the guy bounced the cheque so I bought it this week
It is the same maker but straight stocked with a peculiar clip to hold down the lever. When the clip is pulled back with the hammer cocked, it auto-ejects!
No (aftermarket?) safety, the hammer is too stiff to cock, maybe the reason for the...

32/20 chamber

feeds@yuku.com (Ten) — Wed, 02 Dec 2009 15:00:06 GMT

Hello. I am new to this site.

I have owned a BSA .310 cadet for many years and have just now decided to shoot it. The barrel appears to be a replacement as there is no serial number. However, upon examination it has been re-chambered to 32/20 by a previous owner. A .310 round will of course chamber, but the thinner rim creates excessive headspace.

So my question is; if I were to use shortened 32/20 cases loaded with a heeled .310 bullet, which loading die-set should I buy...

dimensional discoveries with my BSA Cadet

feeds@yuku.com (Fazak) — Wed, 02 Dec 2009 09:47:00 GMT

While experimenting around a bit with my recently aquired BSA cadet, I seated a .322 round ball (N0 1 buckshot) in the mouth of a 32-20 case which had been trimmed to a length of 1.120.

This Cadet has the original chamber and a standard length 32-20 case will not fully enter.

Anyway,...my point is, in the area which the .322 ball occupied, the outer diameter of the case is .334 and extends down about .170 from the case mouth. I didn't expect the round to chamber, but...

Martini Cadet action disassembly?

feeds@yuku.com (Fazak) — Mon, 30 Nov 2009 07:07:44 GMT

I recently purchased a very nice Cadet with a pristine bore. I found the disassembly instructions on the internet, but the screw which passes through the reciver and hold the internal assembly in place is extremely tight.

By applying *much* force to the screw I was able to rotate it a bit less than 90 degrees and it hadn't broken free, so I stopped.

Has anyone who has experience with these rifles offer any advice on why it's so tight and what would be a good way to...

Inside an Exposed Hammer Martini

feeds@yuku.com (Clint) — Sat, 21 Nov 2009 08:31:59 GMT

Howdy again,
The newbie is back with some pics of the internals of my exposed hammer gun to share. I took them initially for Wal Winfer for possible inclusion in his book on rook rifles. The first pic is of the gun as previously shown.

The second pic shows the insides slid out of the action, along with some of the minor components. They are arranged in the approximate...

Another Cadet has found its way into my Safe.

feeds@yuku.com (Herbert Rogers) — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 19:10:56 GMT

Another Cadet rifle has found a home in my gun safe. Manufactured by W.W.Greener and as the name stamped on the barrel implies a "Sharpshooters Club" Martini chambered for the .310 Greener Cadet cartridge. The barrel is longer at 26.25 inches and has a fairly straight taper to the muzzle. The barrel and...

Ruptured neck extraction

feeds@yuku.com (303Gunner) — Mon, 02 Nov 2009 19:27:43 GMT

I've had a case failure with the neck separated from a .310 case. The Brass was recent production Super brand.

I have Military Ruptured Case extractors in .303, 7.62 Nato and .30-06 which would possibly grip the neck, but due to the length of the extractors and the fact they are designed to work with bolt/sliding block actions they are not suitable for the .310 Cadet. What do people...

My farorite cadet conversion round

feeds@yuku.com (ziplocjoe) — Sun, 01 Nov 2009 16:52:29 GMT

Cadet rifles are usually converted to rounds like .22 Hornet, .218 Bee, .256 Win Mag, or .357 Mag. Larger, more powerful, rounds seem to work but are limited by the size of the barrel shank and most are hard to load because the lever has to be held down to get the large round into the chamber.
I wanted a larger round that would load easily and not stress the small shank of the...

Questions: BSA Mdl.6

feeds@yuku.com (gcrank1) — Mon, 26 Oct 2009 12:18:15 GMT

I currently have a Mdl.12 and Mdl.12/15 and like the Francotte Martini very much. These are too heavy
(for me) as a 'walk about gun' so I am considering that a Mdl.6 , with open sights, would be the compliment
to the others.
I welcome pros, cons and any dilogue regarding this notion.

310 nsw westley richards cadet cleaning rod

feeds@yuku.com (herbert) — Tue, 20 Oct 2009 21:10:08 GMT

I just bought a type A westley richards NSW cadet, the cleaning rod is mising i was wundering if anyone has a picture of the rod and demitions,I dont lick my chances of ever finding a original rod so i thort i will try to make a replacment,any help would be apreciated

Exposed Hammer Martini

feeds@yuku.com (Clint) — Sun, 18 Oct 2009 16:42:26 GMT

Howdy to all,
I am a relative newbie to posting on this forum, but had something I wanted to share with you. I jumped on the opportunity to own what I believe to be a Francotte made Martini sporting rook rifle with an external exposed hammer. I posted some info about it under the old topic "Converting a .310 Cadet", and see no need to repeat that all again here. I already know how B1acksmith feels about a hammer on a Martini, but it sure intrigued me! The rifle was found...

Papa Bear, Mama Bear and my new Baby Bear (rook)

feeds@yuku.com (B1acksmith) — Sun, 18 Oct 2009 15:51:36 GMT

As I discussed in the cartridge section, I got seduced by a little Snider rook in .300 Rook. Fits nicely with my JC Lord and Wilkinson Sporting. It is a tiny little thing, but nicely made with engraving, hooked breach, nice wood, and horn tip. It is set up very much like my Wilkinson, but smaller. No maker's name anywhere, but british proofs. It has an oval shaped barrel rather than a separate rib. I dropped a .310 Cadet (much too big) round in it to show the size. Got to order me...

BSA Mdl 12 Sights

feeds@yuku.com (gcrank1) — Fri, 09 Oct 2009 13:01:35 GMT

I have a Mdl 12 coming soon which is missing the once installed rear barrel sight. I have referenced some
written material on this long produced model and have seen a good picture of the sight but the question
comes to mind,'Was the sight a std. throughout production or were there variations?' I believe the rifle
is one of the last produced (56XXX?) and I would like to have the correct tangent sight for it.
It also has the fine P-H 7A rear peep. I note that the...

Trailboss in .310 cadet

feeds@yuku.com (ziplocjoe) — Thu, 01 Oct 2009 08:27:05 GMT

On the Gunboard's forum some shooters from Australia reported using 4.5gr of Trailboss in the .310 cadet. I tried this load. With 1.08 in. long cases the case was quite full and required compression to seat the bullet. Muzzle velocity was 850 fps and accurcy was excellent. Although at that low velocity anything passed 100yd would have a lot of drop. I like 1200-1250 fps.
Several people say they reload by just thumb seating a new bullet. I have several cadet rifles and all of mine...

.300 Bullets

feeds@yuku.com (Fazer) — Tue, 29 Sep 2009 22:45:45 GMT

I remember seeing a few years ago, true .300 cal pistol projectiles at either Midway or LS&B, or somewhere like that. They were for some odd ball pistol calibre. The memory fails a bit I'm afraid. Does anyone know of a round that used .300 pojectiles. They were copper jacketed. Thanks.......Chip

A Trio of Cadets

feeds@yuku.com (303Gunner) — Fri, 11 Sep 2009 03:39:31 GMT

Here's 3 Australian .310 BSA Martini Cadets.

All 3 have identical BSA trademark stamping on the Left hand side of the body and identical lettering and placement of the BSA serial and "Commonwealth of Australia" on the right hand side.

BSA serial...

Stevens Martini .22 Target Rifle

feeds@yuku.com (slumlord44) — Mon, 31 Aug 2009 20:18:02 GMT

No one else seems to know much about this gun so I thought I would ask the experts here. In 1910-1911 Stevens Arms made a .22 target rifle specificaly for the British market. It was called the Stevens Bisley. It was a heavy barrled target rifle with a Martini action. It had a tang peep sight and a globe front sight. It was mades specificaly for competition for Militay Miniature Rifles. This is why I thought this might be the place to get some information. I have been told that there may have...