New Monkeytail

feeds@yuku.com (TH) — Tue, 01 Dec 2009 15:47:38 GMT

Hi Guys

I bought this monkeytail some months ago and have just got round to taking pictures
I could not resist my favourite preferences - engraved sporting carbine (I will probably be drummed out of the forum for this!!) and octagonal barrel
The usual "Whitworth patent", .450 & .483 wth proof marks
Sights are interesting - lots of them with an optimistic 1500 yard maximum!

I take it these were marketed quite late for remote places where caps,...

MONKEYTAIL NIPPLE QUESTION

feeds@yuku.com (JIM 49TH VA) — Wed, 18 Nov 2009 11:56:52 GMT

On cleaning my Monkeytail I noted that the nipple is quite different than the standard Enfield musket nipple. While threads are the same, it is shorter, with a rounded bottom, and most significantly, mine has some kind of silvery-looking liner (platinum?). Also, one shoulder of the Monkeytail nipple is stamped NR. Is this standard?

Pictures below show a modern repro Enfield nipple alongside the Monkeytail's for comparison.

Westley Richards Monkeytail Centrefire

feeds@yuku.com (Tacolneston) — Sat, 14 Nov 2009 07:11:16 GMT

My pockets aren't deep enough for this one, but there are some good photographs.

Rare Westley Richards breech loading, centrefire carbine

Overall length 42.75 inches, and with a 23 inch barrel, this is marked WHITWORTH PATENT to the top and .450 at the breech, and the "monkey tail" lever is marked WESTLEY RICHARDS PATENT, it is full stocked with a single steel barrel band, and brass fittings, lock plate also marked WESTLEY RICHARDS & CO 1868, good...

sell

feeds@yuku.com (Pieter) — Sat, 19 Sep 2009 23:17:50 GMT

Hello i wan na sell my monky from 1867 in cf serial number 21 ,its in a very good shape. Is ther somone who can help me with that?because my englisch is not so well (i am still a dutchmen).i am not familliar whit those things only thing i know ist the great valeu.
who can help me?
Pics avalible.
Please contact me on my mail adress as pieterlops@planet.nl

Help with a Monkey Tail please

feeds@yuku.com (derekb) — Sat, 15 Aug 2009 07:35:08 GMT

Hello Everyone,

I have a Westley Richards Monkey Tail short rifle, on the lock in a triangle is a date 1873, the top of the barrel has "Whitworth Rifling", on the right side of the barrel appears to be "N8068" and on the right side is "6403"
Any information would be appreciated.
Regards, Derek
Westley Richards Monkey Tail 2.JPG

Help !!!

feeds@yuku.com (Pieter) — Mon, 13 Jul 2009 11:21:33 GMT

Hello i new here My name is Pieter iam the owner of a monkey tal cf from 1867 serial numbert 21!! Missin the flat piece of the rear sight .
Is there somone ho can help me to find this item?

Exuse me for my bad englisch writhing but i am a dutch men. Live in the Netherlands.
Regars Pieter.

Peep Sight on Monkeytail?

feeds@yuku.com (Colonial Nic) — Sun, 12 Jul 2009 18:25:16 GMT

Hello,

I want some way of mounting aperture or peep sights (not optical) on my Monkeytail rifle. It has the accuracy one would expect from a .451 but I am always finding myself disadvantaged and feel I'm squandering its accuracy when shooting against people with more advanced sights than the simple V and barleycorn it has. Of course I do not want to do anything like drill or screw into my rifle. I am looking for a solution that allows me to mount peep sights without irreversibly...

Shot the Monkey Tail today....need some advise now

feeds@yuku.com (targetman) — Wed, 17 Jun 2009 09:29:18 GMT

Hello to all.......I shot the Monkey Tail rifle at Bisley this morning, 300 yards.

The ammunition was made up as follows: Rizla King Size, rolled on a former, allowed to dry. Pushed former out using base of 405 grain 457 bullet, rolled paper and bullet between fingers until lube adhered to paper. Used drop tube to load 70 grains of medium black powder, then twisted open end of paper and tied off with thin cotton thread.

Loaded paper cartridge into chamber then inserted a...

Tails around the world

feeds@yuku.com (Robbie) — Sat, 30 May 2009 06:04:26 GMT

I've been asked to give a lecture by the Imperial War Museum on the Monkey Tail, scheduled for early 2010. I would like to get some idea of current and historical world wide distribution by serial number, date and type/barrel length/calibre and in particular the usage of the batch of Rifles, carbines and pistols sent to Portugal in 1867. Can you point me to some people at home and abroad who might be able to help?

Monkeytail Parts

feeds@yuku.com (Bnelson) — Fri, 17 Apr 2009 17:14:41 GMT

I've come across a group of parts for a Monkeytail rifle, but unfortunately, am missing some. What I have is the trigger, trigger guard, lock and hammer, and the action up to the hinge point. I am missing the barrel and stock. The stock doesn't bother me too much, since I can make that based on pictures, but the barrel is a tough one. I am considering making up one, but can't tell from the pictures how the last few inches at the back is made. Is the squared off section a...

Unusual Experimental or Trial C B L

feeds@yuku.com (Bill Curtisra) — Fri, 03 Apr 2009 12:11:42 GMT

I came across this Capping Breech Loader at the Bisley Arms Fair on 29th March. It has no name and its appearance suggests that it was possibly made in Belgium with an eye to the British Breech Loading Trials in 1864 as it has British style sights and fore-end coupled with a very Franco-Belgian lock area.

Monkeytail pics

feeds@yuku.com (TH) — Wed, 01 Apr 2009 15:27:49 GMT

Hi Guys
Just bought this WR monkeytail carbine, all numbers match, c/w ramrod, under barrel NA&A Co. Ltd 3.82 (date?? How late were they made? well out of date compared to cartridge arms by then? Will read just bought Winfer book!). Bore is not too good, hopefully it will clean up. Many thanks to Jim Durling for advice and inspection. Comments please

lightish .450"ish bullets, please?

feeds@yuku.com (cadet) — Fri, 27 Mar 2009 02:53:19 GMT

I want to get my 52 bore C&T sporter carbine up and running; I need bullets to do that, but the mould I have throws 500gr which I'm guessing are far too heavy. If anyone (particularly in Aust, to avoid B709a etc) has some spare 450"ish bullets on the light side they could send me to try, I'd appreciate it.
Thanks,
RG

Happy times with Monkeytail

feeds@yuku.com (Colonial Nic) — Sun, 08 Mar 2009 17:25:30 GMT

On Saturday I shot my Monkeytail rifle (as in the longer version) in a 'German ring-target' competition. The target is a cast iron disc about 4' in diameter with 13 2'-wide scoring rings ('1' being the outermost ring and '13' the bull). One fires 12 shots at it at 100m offhand. The comp is generally a 'any breechloader, any sights except magnifying' one. There were about 20 shooters mostly using repro sharps, high walls, etc with peep sights. Well I...

New (to me) Westley-Richards

feeds@yuku.com (bpcollector) — Tue, 17 Feb 2009 13:42:14 GMT

Being new to both forums and collecting antique guns I need some help. I have just purchased a Monkey tail carbine and would like to know some more about it and also where to find the information. I am told it is an artillery carbine as it has a bayonet mount on the right of the barrel. My gun is dated 1867 and has a 3 figure serial number preceded by a "P" with a line underneath and a "C" under that, just as a fraction would be written. I thought this may be for a...

Terry's Improved Patent carbine

feeds@yuku.com (watyrrell) — Thu, 12 Feb 2009 14:46:56 GMT

I got a cute little "Terry's Improved Patent" carbine a couple of years ago. Haven't been able to find anything about them. Bolt action with a side hammer. This one appears to be s/n 182. I couldn't figure out how to add pictures.

Monkeytail Ammunition

feeds@yuku.com (Tacolneston) — Tue, 10 Feb 2009 12:06:31 GMT

For some time I have been trying to create an accurate load using the Lee .454-298 Minie bullet, but without success. For my latest attempt I decided to use thinner paper so that the bullet would have the best possible chance to expand into the rifling. Rather than use nitrate soaked paper I used untreated cigarette paper. To cut a long story short neither the pure lead bullets nor the soft alloy bullets would group at 50 yards.

However, it occured to me that by using such thin...

Another W-R Monkey-Tail centre fire for sale.

feeds@yuku.com (Bill Curtisra) — Tue, 10 Feb 2009 04:17:22 GMT

Just had a catalogue from Michael J. Noble Firearms Ltd., who do not appear to have a website but their phone number is UK 01530 411627. They are the successors to Brian Knapp. They have a 24 inch barreled version dated 1869. They say only 500 were made 1867-9. stated as vgc cond. quite sharp o/a old repair to stock, around lock, hardly noticeble, brl to blue/brown patina, good bore, no rod. a rare piece. price GBP625.

Calisher and Terry ammunition

feeds@yuku.com (Dreyse) — Sat, 07 Feb 2009 08:38:49 GMT

Any idea about the original introduced cartridge? I read there are . 577 and .54 caliber guns. A drawing of the cartridge and the bullets would be very helpful.

Thanks for any help

Monkeytail coming up for auction.

feeds@yuku.com (casper50) — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 05:36:21 GMT

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